Latest News: RedZone is Gone. zFire Xue and Alts are Banned

16 03 2011

The End of RedZone

Soft Linden Nukes the RedZone Store As Crowds Party

It is done! RedZone has been banned. The shop has been nuked by Soft Linden. Devices are being systematically removed from inventories by Linden Lab. zFire Xue and his alts have been banned from Second Life.

Thanks to everyone who has written ARs, blogged, commented, posted, voted and in any way helped make this happen!

There will be some more news on this blog soon.

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81 responses

16 03 2011
Huntress Unya

Yes! Yay!!

I am deeply humbled by the momentum this movement has achieved. I am humbled by the voices that made themselves heard, demanding nothing more and nothing less than what is their human right.

This now is really a victory, a victory not only for Greenzone, not only for those fighting against Redzone, but a victory for all of Second Life. Tomorrow is St Patrick’s Day! Let us all celebrate this day as the day of freedom from oppression.

TOMORROW IS OUR MUTUAL GREEN DAY!

16 03 2011
Anastasia Howlett

What a coincident! lol

16 03 2011
JonnyM

I’ll drink to that!

16 03 2011
Debbie

Well now that the copybotters have won, I have no more security against them. I therefore will no longer create content for SL so it can be stolen. I have closed out my MP account and taken down my vendors and servers for them. Oh, I like seeing the increase of greifer attacks that has been reported to me that was not there before. Good job Green slime. The product was bought when it was legal, so who pays the users back? Oh I know, just like when the copybotter steal from us, Tough S**t

16 03 2011
Itazura

You never did have any security against them, Debbie. They walked right around it and you never knew. I’m sorry your false sense of security is gone. If you want a refund contact zFire Xue… oh wait… you can’t. What makes you think you’re entitled to a refund anyway? Like you said, it was legal when you bought it. Those “griefers” are more likely RZ supporters attempting to stir up sh!t out of desperation.

16 03 2011
Notkenny

Good. Pack up your shit and go, Debbie. SL neither needs nor wants designers who snoop on their own customers. And who evidently still have their heads up their own arses, blissfully ignorant of the mountain of evidence of zFire’s criminality.

So who are you really? Bunder? Crackerjack? Merlin? You aint no SL designer, you’re one of zFire’s brainwashed fan club. Obvious troll is obvious; nobody could possibly be stupid enough to still think Monkeyboy was protecting them after the mountain of proof unearthed to the contrary.

16 03 2011
RL66

in fact copyboter and grieffer was on redzone side… Now debbie your SL is better, even if you don’t realise it yet due to the redzone propaganda.

17 03 2011
Jodee

Deb,
Your information has been harvested and Zfire Xue can and most likely has logged on to your account, or his gf has. Consider yourself lucky your bank hasnt been messed with.

17 03 2011
Nova

RZ was useless against griefers & copybotters. They knew before anyone else, to just turn off media & do their thing. RZ was a tool FOR griefers. They followed people around (I know a couple of victims). It was also used to collect the passwords of RZ users. All mistyped passwords were logged & saved. Then the data base was claimed to be hacked. Yeah, like I believe that. RZ was a nightmare for the merchants who bought it, & a blessing for griefers & copybotters. Don’t blame greenzone, thank them.

21 03 2011
Anonymous

Fail troll is fail.

16 03 2011
secret

Debbie

1. RedZone stores every avatars IP address without the users consent and put it in a database that they and their customers could enquire.

2. RedZone didn’t protect at all against copybots unless someone was using a viewer that was listed as a copybot viewer.. in the client tag etc. Also people who deliberately using a copybot viewer for that sake and purpose are not stupid and they know how to not get detected.. its not hard.

3. If you got banned 5 times from sims on an avatar then everyplace with Redzone on the grid would ban that avatar and all connected ALT’s to it.

16 03 2011
Voff Uggla

Great news, so what’s left now CDS and SparrowIndustries, is Qickware really gone? Sorry for sounding so negative, but when will Linden Lab listen to the merchants and all the Jiras, so it will be more difficult for copybotters to operate in Second Life. I want security and privacy for both merchants AND consumers, for ALL in Second Life.

16 03 2011
Jenni Darkwatch

You made an important point there that bears repeating, and highlighting over and over ad infinitum:

LL needs to improve the privacy/tools for residents AND creators. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t even wager a dime on that ever happening. LL cares only if shit hits the fan, otherwise they prefer to just pretend everything is fine.

16 03 2011
Voff Uggla

Well Debbie, who cares, I wouldn’t buy anything from you anyway, I and other people are boycotting stores that are/were using RedZone, CDS, Quickware, Sparrownet and whatever the next spyware that I’m sure will be coming. As I see it, this is Linden Labs responsebilty, to make the grid as safe as possible for everyone. But instead they focus on creating a new viewer that nobody wanted in the first place. And blaming this on the greenies, is very ignorant, you’re angry cause you can’t use RedZone, created by a convicted criminal, whose intent probably was to steal your content anyway, use your brain. Don’t you get it zFire have conned all of you RedZoners

16 03 2011
Sextan Shepherd

@Debbie true creators don’t need that kind of protection, unless you consider that your visual identity and creation style is not strong and recognizable enought.

RZ was just a gadget made to emphase the feeling of “power” of some bored people.

16 03 2011
Itazura

An important point to remember: “We” didn’t get anyone banned. He got himself banned. All we did was open the curtain and let in the sunshine. It was his own antics that got him banned eventually.

16 03 2011
Monkies

itazura speaks the truth!

16 03 2011
Cathiee McMillan

@Debbie
The device didn’t protect you from copybots .024% copybots and he added those!!!
Also He was the one who was mostlikely copyboting you and griefing you with his group Knights of Mars.
You got duped into purchasing his product.
Tell me how can a person who Claims he is against Copybots and Griefing and run a Group that supports that?
It is also correct the people didn’t get him banned, he got himself him band by all these things that lindens were able to get more detailed information on.
Sorry you spent 3,000 Lindens on a Con Artist.

Copybot protection is you having a Unique style and loyal customer base and friends with other creators where you all can look out for each other.

16 03 2011
Jenni Darkwatch

It’d be great if LL did give creators (and residents) a bit more protection and better tools to combat griefers though. Right now, the tools they do offer are laughable.

I’d not even say this battle has been won, it was merely a small skirmish. It nicely highlighted the laissez-faire attitude at LL though, and the preference for inaction when it comes to protecting residents in any way, shape or form.

16 03 2011
lok

I just checked the marketplace, redzone is still listed.

It would be nice for LL to remove it promptly.

16 03 2011
Monkies

all that’s going to happen is people will buy it, and it will just be instantly deleted from their inventory. Oh and no refunds I would assume.

16 03 2011
MilosZ MilosZ

Since all his assets in world have been deleted, including the magic-box, the transaction will not go through.

16 03 2011
Wowlie Fowlie

Confirmed that my old demo has all its scripts removed and only 2 object-class prims left in it. Celebrate the functionality is no more!

16 03 2011
Wowlie Fowlie

From http://alphavilleherald.com/2011/03/zfire-xue-slams-redzone-enemies.html :

Pixeleen Mistral: Are you concerned that today’s developments might lead
to your accounts being banned?
zFire Xue: Nope. Linden Labs knows fact from fiction.

Yes, I’d say they do.

16 03 2011
Monkies

is it ok to come out to spend my money now? rofl

16 03 2011
Krljavi

And then there was much rejoice…
Only reason Im glad about this is because zFire is self obnoxious swine, with ego trips and God syndrome. His utility was shit, and couldnt caught fleas on Milhouse’s birthday.
Are we free from data mining? Nope.
Are we are safe when browsing interwebs? Nope.
Is Boris safe from diapers? Nop… well actually yes, animal control took care of it.
But seriously… SERIOUSLY,

https://my.secondlife.com/tux.winkler/picks/7caf332a-ff6b-ceb5-f93e-af691a69b5de

JLU collecting data since aeons… doxing people up and down (not that I care, i would like to see them in my doorsteps so that i can show them my gratitude for keeping e-worldz safe.
So to sum it up… every script that is no mod is possible threat of data mining. Including (not saying it is, just naming wide used example) Greenzone hud. So seriously people, go get laid somehting now that dork is dead, but did “we” won somehting big here? Not really. Bunch of people got scammed for 4000L, me personaly for 1200 for his pretty decent animator which again was data mining and are quite angry for that. Debbie left, and who cares? Why Redgrave for example, who is, and i can bet my dick on it, much bigger than Debbie stopped using redzone? Because they didnt want to support scammer. Do they get ripped? You bet! Are they closing their “pools due to aids”? Nope, since people respect quality stuff.
Bah, who cares anyway…

16 03 2011
Debbie

And I am suppose to trust evidence collected from a hacker? Hacking is a crime in itself. Who knows what the hacker did, what changes they made in the Database. When will the hacker be going to jail with the rest of the criminals like him? But then again, I see you all support the criminal hacker.

16 03 2011
Krljavi

And we should suppose to trust your fucking data mining application allegedly used to stop copybot? Please, close your pools due to aids, and begone from SL.
Too bad L.Ron zFire dont know how to fix his forums, so we could have lulz and dance on ashes of your own filth just for sake of it. Again, why Redgrave which is no doubt bigger and more copybotted than you isnt leaving and actually PUBLICLY claim it will not support zRZ? Is Emilia copybotter as well?
Please, go hump a raccoon instead…

16 03 2011
RL66

bad argument as he is hacker and copyboter too… but again with a “i am a saint” propaganda everything can be forgetet… hopefully on the net nothing is lost :D

16 03 2011
Monkies

@ Debbie

Its a shame that out of the first comment you gave, there were a lot of responses back to you explaining what was happening, and many of the greenies whom were actually nice to you about it. Yet, you still chose ignorance. Should I explain to you about the “guaranteed box of shit” saying? Just because it says guaranteed, it doesn’t mean you can instantly feel safe and comfortable. Because in reality, its just shit in a box. But its the word “guaranteed” that makes you feel cozy and safe right?

This is the same idea. Its a SL box prim with shit in it. A security box of shit. You only think you are being griefed more because your mind is searching for it right now. Not to mention, zfire (owner of redzone) owned a griefing group. It could be very possible its the people in his group griefing your store.

Put aside the parranoia and move on. If you didn’t know anything about what was happening with redzone, I can assure you that you wouldn’t notice if you were being griefed more or not and you would be continuing making products for your shop.

Coming here to threaten that you’re going to close your shop won’t do any good to anyone, especially you. You have a shop because its your choice, not ours. Keep your choices for YOU, not based around someone named zfire, whom you have never met in your life.

21 03 2011
Anonymous

Hacking is not a crime, it is a passion. Its an exploration, understanding, and possible improvement of a system, not its exploitation and defacement.

21 03 2011
Anonymous

Would you rather trust a hacker or a known criminal who’s robbed people several times before?

Hackers are not bad people, however, if you feel more comfortable in a mindset from the 80s, there is no amount of arguing that will get you to take those rose-coloured glasses off.

I would recommend removing all of your items for sale, so nobody can rip off your stuff. Certainly it’s the same psd kits everybody and their Mothers use also, just with a random print layered on top of it that you found on images.google.com.

But you won’t remove your clothes; greed is universal.

16 03 2011
Rayne Saltair

Linden Labs already has whatever form of identification your respective Country uses. Here in the U.S. that’s drivers license number and social security. Linden Labs knows who each and every one of us is REAL LIFE anyway. So, those people who think they are “hiding” in a video game are sadly mistaken. Enjoy the superiority complex but know it’s just as false a safety net as Red Zone itself was. Rayne Saltair.

16 03 2011
Katrina

Yeah but we CHOSE to allow LL to have that info, they did not somehow scan our purses for it.

16 03 2011
Krljavi

Epic lulz!

http://isellsl.ath.cx/nwatch.php?avi=zfire%20xue

and while zFire getting negative rep on his own system, this Debbie Infinity (oh is that the same one that trolls here?!) is giving him +2 over and over
Honey, hes gone from SL… Pools closed! Face it :D

17 03 2011
Azure Twine

OMG is Debbie some kind of sekrit zfire admirer?

17 03 2011
V&U

@Debbie
Ignore this troll called “Debbie”. She/It/He has posted complaints about Red-Zone in the marketplace just before it went down. Debbie is a sad example of those who have taken Second-Life to the far and beyond. Those who are willing to break real-life laws and TOS for the sake of “protecting” pixels and virtual land who’s face-value is worth “0” outside Second Life.

Do us all a favor Debbie, unplug PC and go outside for once. Your chair is stuck to your rump from years of isolation in front of a monitor and it has affected your braincells. The internet keeps on spinning, if you cannot handle internet then leave it. So red-zoner leaves with a crying and groaning that they cannot be control freaks anymore.

Second Life use to be fun and friendly but there are too many debbie’s around now who take Second Life as nail and hammer and sadly it gave birth to people like zfire to take advantage of those who view SL as a “second income” all too easily.By conning red-zoners and using them to steal information from others outside of Red-Zone and on Grid aka “mobile hud”.

You are stubborn red-zoner who refuses to see what red-zone really is and does not care how it negatively affected everyone else who wish to come to SL. You are no better than copybotter because copybotter has very similar attitude. Goodbye and good riddance.

17 03 2011
Voff Uggla

WORD!!!

17 03 2011
Monkies

I responded to her giving her some nice advice about her store and talking about her products she sells. But looking at the isellsl ratings she did on zfire, i looked up her sl name (she provided) to see what her store is…..

it’s a shemale strip club -_-

Now I am surly convinced this IS zfire’s alt.

17 03 2011
Lazlo

Thank you little whining suckers SO much for fucking with Xue. Never used RedZone but used the zFire animator in builds. Thanks to you crowing little crybabies, that tool is dead. So when you buy things and wonder where a lot of the neat functionality went, you can only blame yourselves.

17 03 2011
Katrina

You do realise, that thing also tracked anim UUID, etc, and sculpt map uuids, basically, whatever you put in it, he had the ability to use as much as he wanted.

17 03 2011
Lazlo

Prove it. Easy to say it did this or that but where’s your proof? You have access to the source code? If so, post it or stop making claims your direct knowledge cannot verify.

As to the rest of you…….

Ah mobs… ya gotta love ‘em. So many big trampling feet… so many big mewling mouths and complaints… but not once ounce of brains or courage among ‘em. :-)

17 03 2011
Katrina

screens have been posted on the thread on SLU, but then, I get the feeling no matter hoe much evidence is shown, you have you mind made up that it must have been fabricated somehow, I feel sorry for you, so worried about your own stuff, while the person you trusted was the one taking it.

18 03 2011
Monkies

@Lazlo

oh stop sucking zfire’s junk already!

20 03 2011
NotKenny

You, sir, are a fucking idiot.

17 03 2011
V&U

@Lazlo
Fail trolls come out of wood-works to cry and whine about precious pixel products produced by a scammer now banned. Cannot handle abiding to TOS? Deal with it. Find other products or make your own. Rest of SL community should not have amendment rights, laws, or privacy stomped upon for the sake of petty tools made by a malicious vendor. Many good animator tools, relying on crook for tools proves only self stupidity. Zfire is banned. Deal or leave.

17 03 2011
RL66

katrina is right… sadly.

18 03 2011
Azure Twine

@Lazlo
YOU bought a product that relied on someone’s external website to function. That was an epic fail waiting to happen. What if he just decided to quit SL one day?

zFire was violation people’s privacy and the TOS/CS. I am sincerely sorry your product doesn’t work anymore bit seriously, if he was any kind of stand up person he would have posted something on his site for you guys and/or made sure the product kept working.

WE didn’t screw you, YOU screwed you. Relying on someone else in SL to:
a) stay in SL
b) stay in businesss
c) pay their bills
d) keep a site going for your product… is just nuts. buyer beware. Seriously, who would you blame if he just up and left? Or decided to start charging you a fee?

18 03 2011
Krljavi

@Azure Twine
People here seem to mix stuff badly…
First of all, being owner of animator I know that at first that animator was inworld only tool. It didnt had web interface but spit you scripts with llownersay. With that in mind web interface is actually blessed since you can choose what exactly you capture.
Secondly, Hippo vendor is also unusable without web interface. Sculpt studio, probably best inworld sculpting tool ALSO have off world connection, and without it cannot operate properly. LOADS of products operate that way.
That attitude “we didnt screwed you, you did” is completely out of context, since lets face it, animator was good product, and all of yours bullets apply to pretty much any product.
Same as ANY non mod script can datamine you without you knowing it. Again, I hate guy as much as anyone here just some of comments here are simply out of every context (starting from first one “because of you its not working anymore…”)

19 03 2011
Azure Twine

Yes and my statements apply to all of those products too. Relying on someone to keep a website up and active in order for your product to work is your choice. And when that person goes away…for whatever reason.. that’s the breaks.

Again, the animator customers did get royally screwed but let me ask you, were those deleted or is it just that the website doesn’t respond anymore? if it is the latter, zFire couldhave kept the site up to accommodate you all still. I’m just saying don;t come here and blame the people who are concerned about privacy for your gadget not working. Zfire was in control of how this ended,not us. I would have preferred for it to have ended with him agreeing that maybe the whole alt thing was a bad idea and removed it voluntarily.

I didn’t want him banned. I am not celebrating. Did you read some of the crap he said? In the end it was his own arrogance that did him in not us. It is just easier to blame us. I have an alt. He is a poseball dummy. I am not a copybotter or a griefer. I care more about the community than I do about my personal needs. If I was zfire, which quite frankly I never would have written redzone, I would make sure that even with my departure, my customers were taken care of. He is too arrogabt and egotistical for that.

His customers NEVER MATTERED. The community NEVER MATTERED. The only thing that mattered to him is himself. He still shows no remorse and that article in the alphaville herald really says it all. He just can;t admit his little toy never really worked!!

19 03 2011
Krljavi

Of course I did read his self obnoxious statements… I tried even making civilized conversation on his forums, but such thing is impossible with Redd Heron, crackerjack, Merlin and rest of shooting squad. Im not blaming “you”, simply because I was undecided about datamining, not in moral terms, but in terms “you can kiss my ass with that data you manage to collect” and didnt had anything to do with RZ in the first place. Friend bought it, but we stop using it after few weeks since it was horrid performance to run on RP sim.
However, I do think that RZ was good idea, but eventually turned out that “path to hell is paved with good intentions…”
Sadly, that same quote can apply to “other” side as well.

18 03 2011
Mirabelle

I think the bnning of redzone is terrible. Redzone banned people for reasons. people were safe they didnt have to deal with people who used people. You won’t understand and many look down.

There is a community of people who play kid avitars… and before someone says eww gross… it’s no different than someone having a prim baby… only difference is now theres a way to have the family setting some want….

But just like in the “adult” community the “child” community has users… by this I mean people who seem great but then dissapear once they’ve gotten what they want….people on redzone were banned for a reason…. to protect good people from being harassed.. it banned peoples alts so we didnt have to deal with the person coming back on a new avi and harassing people. I am sorry to see redzone gone….with this gone you will find copy botters back… you will find peoples designs being stolen again, you will find people being harassed again. Redzone stopped people from being harassed when Linden Labs does NOT do their job to protect people…. you AR someone they do jack crap about it…untill oh 10 people complain then it’s a tap on the wrist. Redzone made content creators safe, and business owners safe from having their stuff stolen…. It helped on sims because banned people could not come in an harass…

When you start seeing these people back running free….you will all wish they hadn’t taken redzone away.

19 03 2011
Potosi Abonwood

Once more, with feeling…

REDZONE DIDN’T STOP COPYBOTTERS. All known copybotter viewers that were in use are now blocked by LL from logging in. The others know how to spoof their viewer OR turn off their media. RZ couldn’t tell what viewer you were using with your media off.

Also as Theia said over on the SLU forums. She talked to one creator who was approached by zFire who said he found some of her items on marketplace and told her about his product. She bought it, set it up and the copybotting stopped. Later on she looked up the person who was selling her items and found them…. in one of zFires groups. When she approached him about it she found herself suddenly listed as a copybotter by RZ. Yeah, there’s your protection. Protection racket.

Not to mention the fact that he was also hosting a site for a griefer group on his same, in home, server that was hosting isellsl. Protection racket part two right there. That and the groups creators name was just like some of zFires alias’ online and got banned the same time zFIre was. Looks like he was running the group as well.

So no, RZ didn’t protect you one bit. Try again.

19 03 2011
Monkies

@ Mirabelle
Even the court justice system in the US treats people better than redzone, they wait till you are PROVEN GUILTY! Not ONE of these people who gets shoved in the “hell” list were EVER proven guilty or given any chance. You with your wannabe god like powers can go take your stranger danger paranoid judgments and shove it up your arse! It’s people like you who pointed at the creatively intelligent kids in school and laughed at them, making them feel like shit about who they are.

I’m not going to sit here and try to convince you how shitty redzone was or convince you that you made a horrible mistake because I honestly see you no different than one of Omar Bashir’s troops! Whom have banned 2 million people from their homes and burned it down.

LL DOES do their job to protect people and you know what, they don’t tell you about it because you’re just not supposed to know so you can never figure out what you need to say to gain power over the banning system they have and try to get others, who don’t deserve it, banned! You are a sick disgusting piece of a human being, I hope I never come face to face with you in SL!

Government should toss you in the category list of the animal world so you can see what it feels like to be banned from shops, food places, clubs etc. No animals like you would be allowed to enter. I have no empathy for you and others like you.

20 03 2011
NotKenny

Oh for fucks sake.

19 03 2011
Krljavi

Mirabelle,
age play is strictly forbidden in SL, not to mention that to me its very much sad, pathetic and morbid. Anyone remotely close to kids, nursery, pregnancy and similar fucking discus me. Anyone who ever tried something from above in real life will NEVER do in SL. So yeah, “ewww gross”.
As of Redzone… Sorry to say but that thing was ONLY grid wide ban list and data mining soft. Nothing more. Have you ever wondered why the fuck from 9+ mil scanned people according to stats, only 0,024 are copybotters? Simply because it cant catch them! PERIOD. Those 0,024 were just skiddies who were stupid enough and wanted to play 1337. That have been proven numerous of times, you have youtube vids of custom viewers rez stuff in front of scanning prims and nothing happen.
As of creators. So far I still havent seen respected one leaving SL, only several of you self proclaimed creators, of which nobody ever heard about except in your RZ community, havent left. Is Redgrave copyboted? Yes. Yet she refused to use zRZ. Is Tonkastic copybotted? Yes. Yet he dont have zRZ.
Bottom line is. Copybotter copy your shits. He will “spread” it to him alike. They were never your customers anyway! Nobody who has slight of moral will use copybotted stuff. And all of them “nobody” is your potential customers. So eventually you havent lost anything, except few copies of your shits spread among retards who are getting banned quick enough. For example, I made some stuff, and wanted to sell it. However, I realized that some of textures I used (actually only one) was not made by me and I didnt had track of where i got it (lots of freebie stuff out there packed in boxes). So, I went to owners shop, got pack with that texture in it(remember its one and i bough a pack worth about 2000L, so you figure). Everyone is happy. Did he got his textures spread in SL? Yes. Did he lost REAL customer? Hell no, i spent 2k in his shop. And i dont even consider myself “rich” at all…
So, please, pack your bandwagon and leave us to drown in our own filth now that RZ is gone…

20 03 2011
RL66

everyting you see, eard or interact with can be copyboted… it’s sad but this is the naked true of SL.

CDS use viewer detection to ban viewer since some few release, no more IP detection as totaly useless (imagine number of people banned, due to zfire noobiness, from country like UK, France, United Emirate… log in those country give you a new IP each time you connect)

zf Redzone was a big fail, the 0.024% was people added manualy as redzone was unnable to identifie a copybot.

LL is removing little by little from inventory copyboted stuff from inventory.

so:
-real Copyboter cannot be stopped
-CDS only detect popular copybot tool, but left real copyboter on SL as cannot detect them.
-zf Redzone was a waste of time and spended L$… sorry for all who have bough this crap
-zfire xue is a liard (as former of grieffer team).
-Linden Lab do it best to remove shit from the grid, this will be great at the end.

21 03 2011
Debbie

Well my land is one less place open to the public. I was unable to get a copy from the redzone site a copy of the names of the people that was banned. So now to keep them out I had to make the sim group only access. Sorry that I had to punish the innocent with the guilty, but I was left with no other recourse. Just one less place good people can go to. Must be what the anti-security crowed wants anyway, a grid full of no public access sims. And seeing as there is no other system that will work, don’t know what else to do. AR’s are a joke, still waiting on LL to bann the last 2 idiots for griefing. The idiots who say you can bann people with your land tools if they are under so many days old, must not of ever owned land. That feature is not there. I will miss the contacts I have made having it open.

21 03 2011
Nelson Jenkins

@ Debbie

Good, because nobody wants to go to your shit-box land anyways. Pack up and leave, already!

21 03 2011
Debbie

Little boy, go wash your mouth out with soap please.

21 03 2011
Monkies

All these things you keep blaming us for are actions you are making upon yourself. You chose to be paranoid and you chose to not trust people. You have major trust issues in general. I suggest you see a psychiatrist who can help you basically not be a mental case. Thank you for closing your sim, we’re all happy to never go there.

22 03 2011
Debbie

And people like you are the one’s no one should trust, by their little rants.

25 03 2011
Phil

@Debbie. If RZ was such a wonderful idea that everyone except some ‘green slime’ (your term) wanted, then why did sim owners go to such lengths to hide it? Most people have security orbs that announbce their presence…why was RZ always in stealth mode? Could it be perhaps that if you’d had a great big sign saying’ welcome to my sim, I am going to log your details in someone’s database on the web so i can see your alts, but don’t worry its for your own good’ then you’d have an empty sim? Why don’t you try that, as a little experiment. Come back here with ‘before’ and ‘after’ traffic stats to prove to us all that *everybody* just loves the idea.

25 03 2011
Linda

It is not necessarily that the sims/parcels were gathering the data. If I was given the choice, if it was public knowledge, the equivalent of “Your actions are being recorded on tape” signs at entrances to stores being seen on login, then I could make an informed decision. However, the fact that many of the skulls were invisible, or hidden underneath something obscure, or way off in a far corner of a parcel, that is the issue. No one is more cowardly than the one that does a sneak attack without being up front. LM givers, by defauilt, scan you — they have to. Greeters scan you, auto-group notifiers scan you. That is a fact of SL life. The implied deceitfulness, especially for those that had no idea to need to think about it, is what got me, and still does. My other alts got caught by this system because I did not worry about having music and other streaming on.

Basically, now, I can not turn on a music stream again without doubts that there is not a new hidden way of associating/extracting any alt data from a simple stream description, even just a fully dotted IP address or innocuous DNS name. This is a war — a war of information exploitation, and Redzone is simply the first disarmed “stealth” weapon. The first victim is the innocence of people here just to have a good time, who, once the wool has been shown to them, can not unsee what they have seen, cannot unlearn what they have learned.

In the world of SL, trust is ultimately the only thing we have between the people and avs we interact with. It is also the hardest thing to regain once it has been broken — **if it ever CAN be restored totally.** The arrogance of zFire will be remembered as the voice of those who represent those who wish to take advantage of such people.

21 03 2011
RL66

@ Debbie, set you land no script/no rezz, it will bother all the baby grieffer, set to group is 50% a good idea but it can be also an open door as a real grieffer that will force being in this group to grieff you… but it will stop noob grieffer indeed (this is the good 50% of this idea).

there is also a lot of other black-hole in SL infrastructure that permit to shit a resident… using those mean Ban.

from my experience AR are slow, you can try to talk to a Linden directely, some are very aware of your protection, while other just care about improving the system… in most case they will try to help you (and most of the time success…).

i hate grieffer and/or copyboter as it was against the SL idea when it start (i know that introduction of economy kill freebies market, but the problem is users and not the system… i still give full perm of stuff i made). and believe me: zf redzone was clearly not the good tool against those.

21 03 2011
Linda

I can envision if Debbie ran a B&M store: Before you enter the parking lot, you have to hand over a driver license, your passport, your wallet, all of your credit card numbers and account information (and of course, copies of this information is kept in a third party database vulnerable to an SQL injection attack) give a blood sample, pee into the cup, wait in a holding area for 6 hours waiting for full identity verification, then you have the privilege of walking around the aisles with a personal shopping assistant with a taser (if you are lucky) or an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on his back (if you have … a look about you). Of course, this shopping assistant has a taser aimed at you at all times, follows 6 inches behind you no matter what. Lord help you if you sneeze or stand still too long in front of something you are contemplating buying, then you become a bloody screaming pile of bones at the trigger-happy fingertip controls of the “personal assistant” behind you.

All to stop the mere inevitable possibility that someone might pocket something and walk out the store with it without paying.

Welcome to the FL version of Redzone.

22 03 2011
Debbie

Hyperactive imagination?

22 03 2011
CarlNye

@Linda-that was hilarious!!

22 03 2011
Linda

@CarlNye – just the truth, Carl — just the truth. Probably why it hurts so much.

22 03 2011
CarlNye

@Linda-as they always say “the Truth shall set you free”, too bad Debbie is still caged just like she would cage her customers verifying their identification first haha

23 03 2011
Debbie

@CarlNye—The only one in a cage is you. I am free and enjoying SL and laughing at you.

23 03 2011
CarlNye

@Debbie-if you are enjoying SL being paranoid, then by all means laugh yourself silly

23 03 2011
Debbie

@CarlNye
I am not paranoid at all, but you must be. Enjoy your paranoid SL Carl, I am sure you believe that someone is watching your pathetic life and wanting to have your RL info. I sure don’t, could care less who you are in Sl much less in RL. Continue to look over your shoulder as you look at that LM giver or what have you, and wonder if it scanned you. My SL is secure, hope yours is as well.

23 03 2011
Linda

@Sad Debbie: If someone could make a buck off of it (and that is what our former felonious, totally untrustworthy “friend” was doing), then yes, I do care. I keep off of mailing lists, give disposable email addresses and information whenever possible, have an unlisted number, and whatever information is out there is the minimum needed out there about me.

Oh, and BTW, LM givers and the such can scan the heck out of me. Last I checked, my name is visible by anyone walking around, as well as any other information that is in my profile. They just can’t correlate that data with anything else about me that is not available by normal, regular means in world.

25 03 2011
Phil

@ Debbie. I nice byproduct of RZ’s demise that I’ve noticed is that it has induced the sim owners like yourself who don’t give a Sh*t about other people’s Sl to wall yourselves up in your own private little ‘safe zones’. Suits me. Means that the average inegrity quotient of the rest of SL outside your walled communities has gone up a few notches.

23 03 2011
Jenni Darkwatch

Gee… of course it’s possible to kick+ban people based on age. It’s not in the land controls, true. Requires a fairly simple script:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlRequestAgentData

As everything else, it won’t keep out any experienced griefer or thief, but it’ll definitely get rid of morons. If, and ONLY if you own the whole sim. Otherwise they’ll just find a neighboring parcel and grief/copy from there.

24 03 2011
Debbie

Oh by the way linda and Carl, you did miss the mark. When I said I wish I had a chance to get the list of banned people I had on Redzone website, I just meant the ones I personally added. If they had alts or not, that I didn’t know and didn’t care. And yes my sim is no longer group only, I just keep a watch on it. It does mean that I have to use a system that tells me if someone comes on the sim so I can see if they did anything to be banned for, but so far I haven’t. Even the ones I had banned stay away, so far. And also I don’t miss redzone.

24 03 2011
CarlNye

Looking forward to Linda joining me on Debbie’s banlist haha

24 03 2011
Debbie

Why would I do that Carl? Did you come on the land to grief, or act like a fool? Sorry to diappoint ya, but you 2 are not on it. But if you are wishing you was, then sure go ahead and grief and I will be glad to add you and AR you too. See you soon :)

24 03 2011
Katrina

Okay this is getting rediculous, I am one of the first to be against redzone, but she has plainly said what meant, and it is not redzone, continuing this is just turning into what zfire claimed we were, if she wants a longer banlist, I can recommend some good banning orbs, but this constant junk is just bad.

26 03 2011
V&U

Red-Zone is gone. Further comments is just troll-bait at this point. Suggest blog-owner disable further comments to prevent this article from drowning in pixel drama.




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